Archbishop Fulton Sheen

“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church- which is, of course, quite a different thing.”

Archbishop Fulton Sheen

I re-discovered this great quote by  Archbishop Fulton Sheen, while visiting Ben’s great blog Frontier Ruminations.

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    1. No problem!!! I remember the first time I saw a YouTube form one of his programs, I was like what’s up with this guy but then I started listening and wow!

      …by the way on a completely unrelated topic this past week I discovered the awesomeness of heifer wiezen!

  1. This amazing man’s “Life of Christ” is one of my favorite possessions. It is one of few books that never parts from physical occupancy in my Kindle to the Cloud. I have come to fully appreciate and grip his quote from above in recent years trying to better understand the Catholic faith as one teethed and reared in a Protestant denomination. He is very right with these words of wisdom.

  2. Hey thanks for the shout out! 🙂

    It’s great to see Fulton Sheen being quoted as much as possible. Keep up the good work.

    God bless!

    -Ben

  3. I agree Caleb that God did not need us He was complete in The Godhead but He chose to need us.

    We are the Spiritual Israelites all of us in Christ Jesus and we will all be Saved Eternally, God has no favorites, we are Abraham’s promised seed and any Jews who accepts Him as their Lord and Saviour will be grafted back in, yes there will be a remnant (see below )

    Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the Promise.

    Romans 9:26-28 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

    Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in for God is able to graft them in again.

    Jesus is the head of the Church as confirmed below.

    Colossians 1:17-19 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the Head of the Body, the Church: who is the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all Fulness dwell;

    Sadly man today would rather as Prophesied in Scripture, Trust in their own understanding or what others tell them instead of what God confirms in His written word as taught to us by Jesus The Living Word having asked for and received His wisdom (Proverbs 4:7) through the empowering of The Holy Spirit. 1Corinthians2:9-16

    Matthew 23:8-10 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in Heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. NKJV

    It is True, Jesus never broke the Law, He filled it with Love, Truth and Mercy and when we are Born again so do we because we have God’s seed or His Nature we don’t have to force ourselves to obey we want to.

    1 John 3:9 No one who is Born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been Born of God.

    Goodby Caleb, I will continue to pray for you and others who depend on the rudiments of this world and not on God’s revelation in Christ Jesus who had siblings by Mary His earthly Mother and Joseph as confirmed in Scripture more than once, if wanted I will share them with you but you can find them on the Internet .

    All have sinned except Jesus Christ including Mary!

    Christian Love Always – Anne.

  4. Dear Annie,

    I was nodding in agreement through most of your comments until I read the last paragraph. I truly appreciate your prayers but I will like to clarify that first and foremost I solely depend on Christ. I agree with the scripture that you quoted in that Christ is the head of his Church. Thereby to trust in Christ is also to trust in the Church that he founded: The Catholic Church and not churches founded by men nor do I trust the authority of any personal interprations of the bible. Looking at the history of the church since the reformation such attitude has led many into false teachings.

    The brothers and sisters mentioned in the Gospels are clearly reffering to other family members that have a different biological mother that is not Mary. Let me remind you that all the refomers fathers have a great devotion to Mary and defended her perpetual viginity. Is saddens me that most separated brother in the Christian faith fail to fulfill the prophecy of Luke’s Gospel: all generation shall called me blessed.

    Blessed Virgin Mary is my mama and I love her very much!

    God Bless,

    Caleb

    1. I have already responded to your statement Caleb about the Roman Catholic Church, it was not the Church that was started by the Apostles, they met everyday in their homes and also went to the temple everyday, and many were added to their numbers daily by The Lord, they were all martyred except John who received the end times revelation.

      God’s Church is of the heart not a Denomination, the leaders of the Church when Jesus was physically on earth crucified Him, which you can confirm in the Scriptures.

      As for Mary remaining a virgin till she died, even your Church does not believe this anymore as you can see below, so apart from the fact that Jesus’ Brothers are mentioned by name and his Sisters referred to as well , Joseph did have sexual relations with Mary after Jesus was Born as confirmed in all Translations, I have just copied two below and a confirmation link.

      Matthew 1:24 -25 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVC) When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.

      Confirmed – http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version_Catholic_Edition

      Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) 24-25 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

      Christian Love from us both – Anne

      1. Dear Annie,

        The perpetual virginity of Mary was universally held by the Christians all the way until fairly recently, from the early Christian Church to the Martin Luther believe in Mary perpetual virginity. Contrary to your opinion the Catholic Church has never or will ever change its teaching on the perpetual virginity of Mary. Changes to a particular translation are just that and by no means reflects changes in dogma or teachings (See below for explanation concerning the word brothers).

        About Blessed Virgin Mary

        Scriptures

        In John 19:26-27 we read:

        Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala.

        When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”

        Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

        According to the Lutheran scholar E.W. Hengstenberg, (no friend of the Catholic Church) this text demonstrate that Mary had no other biological children besides Jesus, because for John to take Mary as her mother would had been illegal under Jewish law. The responsibility of taking care of Mary would have fallen to the next oldest son. If Jesus had other brothers or sister then he would have intentionally violated Jewish law, being a devout Jew, this would have been a very odd thing to do during his last moments on the Cross. On the other hand, if he did not have any other biological brothers or sister, this makes sense.

        Moreover, think about this passage more carefully. John his beloved disciple is also standing for all of us, his beloved disciples. Jesus in his wisdom and mercy is giving us his Mother. We are all John at the foot of the Cross and Mary is our Mother!

        Matthew 1:24-25

        When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home.

        He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.

        So much has been written about the word “until” in bible commentaries. First the passage is emphasizing the virgin birth of Christ and does not necessarily show that Mary had sexual relations with Joseph after Christ’s birth. This word denotes a period of time and not necessarily implies that an action takes place there after.

        Here are other scriptural passage that demonstrate my point, taken from scripturecatholic.com:

        Matthew 28:29

        I am with you “until the end of the world.

        This does not mean Jesus is not with us after the end of the world.

        Luke 2:36-37

        There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived seven years with her husband after her marriage,

        and then as a widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple, but worshiped night and day with fasting and prayer.

        “Until she was eighty-four”…again here the word until also denote a time period, not necesarely that she re-married at the age of 84.

        1 Timothy. 4:12-13

        Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.

        Until I arrive, attend to the reading, exhortation, and teaching.

        This does not mean that Timothy will stop setting an example after he arrives.

        Mark 3:6

        Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

        James and Joses are children of Mary but not Mary the mother of Jesus but another Mary as we read in Mathew’s and Mark’s gospel:

        Matthew 27:56:

        Among them were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

        Mark 15:40:

        There were also women looking on from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of the younger James and of Joses, and Salome.

        The word Brother (Concise explanation from Catholic.com)

        The first thing to understand is that the term brother (Gk. adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

        Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:

        “So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

        Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!

        Early Christian Church

        The early Christian historical document, the Protoevangelium of James written around 120 A.D. attest that the early Christian Church believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. According to the patristic scholar Johannes Quasten: The principal aim of the whole writing (Protoevangelium of James) is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ” (Patrology, 1:120–1). Here is evidence from the very early in the Christian Church that showed that Christians indeed believe that Mary was ever Virgin.

        Many other patristic fathers of the Church such as Origin, Didymus the Blind, Ambrose of Milan, St. Augustine, and Cyril of Alexandria among others, testify in favor of the perpetual virginity of Mary.

        About the Catholic Church

        Indeed we discussed the foundation of Christ’s Church but never once in your responses did you address the historical witness of the early Christian Church nor demonstrated where in the bible is says that the Bible is the sole rule of faith.

  5. Just thought I would also add Caleb, that all Protestant Churches honor and recognize Mary as being greatly blessed, she was chosen to be the vessel God used to give birth to His Son who was conceived by the Holy Ghost. Mary was also righteous, meaning she chose to obey and seek God in all she did, just as Job and others did through the Centuries too.
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    But you need to remember Caleb that the Scriptures confirm only Jesus was sinless or He couldn’t have been our Sacrificial Lamb and it was why no one else could be.
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    Thanks for your prayers too – Blessings – Anne

  6. I did share with you Caleb more than once that we are to confirm everything through the Scriptures, which they also confirm but without the empowering of The Holy Spirit and God’s wisdom as Jesus leads us into all Truth they will not be understood in the Light they were given.
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    2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.(KJV)
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    The Scriptures I shared with you Caleb including those from the Catholic Bible see below show clearly the Mary did not remain a Virgin.
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    Matthew 1:24 -25 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVC) When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
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    Confirmed – http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version_Catholic_Edition
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    Christian Love – Anne.

  7. Dear Annie,

    In charity I do take time to read your comments and respond to the best of my abilities. I hope you do the same.

    Your response did not address the following points:

    1. A comprehensive response to my arguments concerning your interpratation of the words: until and brothers. I clearly explained how context and usage of these words do not necesarely support your claims.

    2. The witness of the early church. You have never given a reasonable explanation as to why those were tought by the apostles themselve hold beliefs that are distintively Catholic.

    3. A response to the Lutheran scholar E.W. Hengstenberg argument about Virgin Mary perpetual virginity.

    Concerning bible alone:

    2 Timothy 3:14 (KJV)

    “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works”.

    I agree wholeheardely with this statment but it does not proof bible alone dogma. First it does not exclude the teaching and tradition of the Church, which St. Paul refers to in 2 Thess. 2:15:

    “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter”

    In other words by stating that scriptures are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteouness does not imply that only scripture are profitable in exclusion to other things. It is like saying that a healthy diet is not important when stating that excersie is profitable for your health.

    Second, the scripture that the author refers to is the Old Testament since at the time of the writting of this letter most of new testament wasn’t written yet.

    Again I asked you what is the pillar and foundation of the truth? Is it the bible? Well, the bible says is the Church:

    “…know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.”

    1 Timothy 3:15

    Best,

    Caleb

  8. I have explained Caleb and confirmed with Scripture, which we are to do with whatever is shared and from whoever shares it when they are speaking about our Faith in God. Jesus many times quoted from Scripture and proved His Divinity through them, because they are about Him but without His Light people are blind and only see the words but have no understanding of The Spirit in them, God’s Truth is written on our minds and in our hearts, that’s how we recognize error and Truth.
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    If we have asked for God’s wisdom and believe we have it, than we do but if we don’t believe we have it even after asking than we are unstable.
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    Sorry Caleb but it seems you don’t want to understand or accept the Scriptures, you would rather put your Trust in man, so I will not argue with you but will add without the Scriptures there would be no Church! God, not man, is the Author of both and it is not a Denomination or your Roman Catholic Church either, although some who belong to it are in God’s Church the same as in all Denominations and even in Cults, God will rescue them.
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    Christian Love – Anne

  9. Dear Annie,

    I am sorry that you feel that way. It seems that your metric for correct scriptural interpratation is whether or not it agress with you own private interpratation that ignores 2,000 years of Christian teachings.

    I have demonstrated with scriptures that Cathoic teachings are scriptural. I also show you that there is an historical continuity in the teaching of the Catholic Church from the first century all they way to present days. Instead you choose to ignore those arguments.

    I cannot disagree with you more when you say that without scripture there is no Church. You have this backwards. Without the Church there will be no Scripture and without Christ there will not be a Church. What came first the bible or the church? Who wrote the bible if it wasnt the Church? Who cannonized the books in the bible if it wasn’t the Church?

    Did you know that the Letters of Hebrews and the book of Revelation were included in the bible because of the advocacy of St. Augustine of Hippo? Because some Christians in the early church did not considered them inspired. Also did you know that the Church excluded many writings of the time: like the Gospel of Thomas, The Shepard of Hermas, The Didache, The Epistle of Clements, Acts of Peter, Acts of John…(some of these were even use in the liturgy of some of the various churches) in the fourth century when they New Testament was canonized.

    I quoted St. Augustine before:

    “I would not believe in the Gospels were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church”

    Against the Letter of Mani Called The Foundation

    Even with all my imperfections everyday I place my heart in God’s hands. My heart belongs to Christ and in his tender mercy I continue walking and sometimes falling but always with my sights on him. I appreciate your zeal for Christ and pray that the Holy Spirit move your heart and re-discovered the fullnest of Faith that is found in the Catholic Church.

    Best,

    Caleb

    1. So you now agree Caleb that Mary did not remain a Virgin since it says so in your Catholic Bible.
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      Matthew 1:24 -25 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVC) When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
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      God told man what to write in the Scriptures Caleb, not man told God, what was originally included in the Cannon of Scripture and written by the early Apostles, was as God led them later to be included. The Roman Catholic Church added books like the “Apocrypha.” later that had error, God’s inspired words don’t have any error or contradiction and we are not to add to them or take away from them- Revelations22
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      You either believe you have God’s wisdom Caleb having asked for it or you don’t. I asked and received His wisdom and have no doubts that I have it. So are you saying Caleb that God lied about us asking for His wisdom and receiving it if we do ? I can’t answer for anyone else but I know what God tells us is True and I have no doubts that He does not say what He does not mean…I will leave a link for you Caleb about His wisdom which is for everyone who asks, not just for me and we don’t have to be perfected to receive it, in Truth we need it to be perfected in Love.
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      Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
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      Wisdom – http://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/the-gaining-of-wisdom/
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      Christian Love -Anne

  10. We confirm our faith only on what God tells us in the Scriptures not on what Mankind tells us Caleb regardless of who they are and if they are changing the Scriptures now they are in great error.
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    Mary was the earthly Mother of Jesus , she is not our Heavenly Mother, this is Paganism, read your Bible Caleb and stop Trusting in what you have been told that is not confirmed in the Scriptures, if you disagree and it is, share the Scriptures that confirm that Mary is our Heavenly Mother.
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    As you can see below Caleb, we Trust God’s revealed words not mans but we can’t understand them in our carnal flesh, we do what Jesus asks us to do, which is to Search , Ask and Knock, so we can be complete and put our flesh to death.
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    Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have Hope.(KJV)
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    Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures. (KJV)
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    Romans 16:25-27 Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest by the Scriptures of the Prophets, according to the Commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all Nations for the obedience of Faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. (KJV)
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    Luke 24:44-45 King James Version And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me. Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures.(KJV)
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    Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.(KJV)
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    John 5:38-40 And ye have not His word abiding in you for whom He hath sent, Him ye believe not. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me and ye will not come to me that ye might have life.(KJV)
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    Acts 17:1-3 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica where was a Synagogue of the Jews and Paul as his manner was, went in unto them and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures..(KJV)
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    Blessings – Anne

  11. Dear Annie,

    I am afraid that you don’t even read my responses and wonder what is the point of our dialog? As I explained before Matthew 1:24-25 does not prove that the Blessed Mother lost her virginity after Christ was born. Such interpratation fragantly ignores idiomatic expression that are also found elsewhere in the bible:

    This is what I wrote in my previous response. I hope that you don’t ignore it again:

    So much has been written about the word “until” in bible commentaries. First the passage is emphasizing the virgin birth of Christ and does not necessarily show that Mary had sexual relations with Joseph after Christ’s birth. This word denotes a period of time and not necessarily implies that an action takes place there after.

    Here are other scriptural passage that demonstrate my point, taken from scripturecatholic.com:

    Matthew 28:29

    I am with you “until the end of the world.

    This does not mean Jesus is not with us after the end of the world.

    Luke 2:36-37

    There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived seven years with her husband after her marriage,

    and then as a widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple, but worshiped night and day with fasting and prayer.

    “Until she was eighty-four”…again here the word until also denote a time period, not necesarely that she re-married at the age of 84.

    1 Timothy. 4:12-13

    Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.

    Until I arrive, attend to the reading, exhortation, and teaching.

    This does not mean that Timothy will stop setting an example after he arrives.
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    Considering Mary our Mother is not Paganism but is the opposite is following what Christ said on the Cross:

    In John 19:26-27 we read:

    Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala.

    When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”

    Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.



    John his beloved disciple is also standing for all of us, his beloved disciples. Jesus in his wisdom and mercy is giving us his Mother. We are all John at the foot of the Cross and Mary is our Mother!

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    Still you have not answer the question why there are so many Christian denomination all claiming to have the correct biblical interpretation and guided by the Holy Spirt but yet many contradict themselves as to what those interpretations are?
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    You are misguided in your assessment that the Catholic Church included extra books in the bible. It was reformers who took books away from the bible. Did you know that Martin Luther wanted to remove the Letter of James? Did you know that those books that are included in the Catholic Bible are part of the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament that the author of the New Testament extensively quoted? Out of the 360 times that they quoted from the old testament 300 times is from the Septuagint the oldest translation of the old testament that included those book which included those books that the protestant reformers erroneously excluded.

    Again you failed to answer the question how do you know which books in the New Testament are the inspired word of God, if it wasn’t for the witness of the Catholic Church?

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    I wholeheartedly agree with those passages but that does not mean that man can abuse them and tortured them into meaning practically anything that the want them to mean. That is why you have to read the whole context along with the historical teaching of the apostle pass on through apostolic succession and guided by the Holy Spirit.

    Gold Bless,

    Caleb

    1. I did read what you wrote Caleb but it is not confirmed in the Scripture I shared with you, in Truth it says the opposite as do all Translations of the Bible including the Catholics and you have not shared any Scripture that does confirm Mary remained a virgin and that she is our Heavenly Mother and because you haven’t, I choose not to argue about man’s understanding regardless of who they are but if you can provide confirmation in Scripture that you are right and I am wrong, we will continue.

      Blessings – Anne

      1. Dear Annie,

        I am sorry but you read scriptures with colored lenses based on a man-made traditions that radically departed from 2,000 years of Christian teachings. Nowhere in the bible does it say that the bible is the sole rule of faith. Neither it argues against the perpectual virginity of Mary, on the contrary according to the Lutheran theologian E.W. Hengstenberg and no friend of the Catholic Church, John 19:26-27 give sufficient evidence for the perpectual virginity of Mary. The very same passage clearly shows Christ in loving affection giving us his Mother…Annie, right there at the Cross, He gave us his Mother! That is not pagan worship but the fulfillment of God’s plan…I ask you who is that Woman clothed with the Sun?

        “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne.”

        Revelation 12:1-5

        In fulfilment of the Mesianic profesy:

        Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
        and the ends of the earth your possession.
        You shall break them with a rod of iron.

        Psalms 2:8-9

        Jesus is the fulfilment of this prophesy and thereby the Woman is Mary…

        Mary was there at the time of the incarnation, she mediated Jesus first public ministry and finally her heart was pierced when Christ died on the Cross.

        Best,

        Caleb

  12. The woman clothed in the Sun Caleb can’t be Mary, as we can see clearly it is in reference to Prophesy for the end times, we see it also by this woman’s times in the wilderness. Jesus is also not the only one who will rule with a rod of iron (Reverlation2:26-29) tells us that those who overcome He will give the power to do so. We are the Church Caleb, each one of us is a part of it.

    John 19:26-27 -Jesus was concerned for Mary’s well being and asking John to care for her as he would his own mother which he did.

    I have already shared the Scriptures that tell us we are to confirm God’s Truth by them not what man tells us.

    I feel it is time to say goodby Caleb as I shared before I do not argue about man’s understanding and you still have not provided the Scriptures that say we are to worship and pray to Mary and the Saints who have died physically or that Mary remained a virgin or that Mary is our Heavenly Mother.

    Take Care – Christian Love Always – Anne.

    1. Dear Annie,

      Thank you for your response! I appreciate your take on my response. As you said we reached that point when we have to charitably agree to disagree on our respective interpratations. I hope you know that I appreciate you very much and love the Christian witness you set forth on your blog!

      Best,

      Caleb

      PS So sorry just to be very clear I never said that we are supposed to worship Mary, that is wrong! Our worship is only to God!

  13. I never chose to agree to disagree Caleb and never will, I just choose not to argue about man’s understanding of Scripture, big difference.

    When we pray to Jesus and our Abba Father, we are acknowledging they are in Total Authority over us as our Creator, Jesus is our only Intercessor, no one else alive or dead is, including Mary and the Saints in the early Church or those who followed, we are not to pray to them, this is Spiritual Adultery, you and your Church need to repent.

    1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Our Prayer is Worship, when inspired by The Holy Spirit we are praying within the heart of God and according to His will.

    Christian Love – Anne

    1. Dear Annie,

      My intentions were out of love. I am sorry that you feel that way. I only said agree to disagree out of charity and understanding that your word view is different from mine and in ackknowlegment that Christ is working his own way in your heart but does not mean that we both can be right. There is only one truth. I happen to believe that the fullness of revaluation and truth is within the Catholic Church, as witness by 2,000 years of continuos Christian teachings.

      St. Pauls says that neither principalities nor death can separate us from the Body of Chirst…when we are died we are so close to him so much closer than you and I are right now…thereby be would you stop praying to Christ when you see him face to face? I think not…

      Yes, Christ is the only mediator between God and man…but that does not mean that we can participate through Christ and in Christ in that mediation. Otherwise you should never ask nor pray for anyone!

      Warmest affections,

      Caleb

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